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Please see attached information on a trapper who was fined:
By SooToday.com Staff
SooToday.com
Thursday, July 21, 2011

NEWS RELEASE

MINISTRY OF
NATURAL RESOURCES

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Trapper fined $1,500 for falsifying documents

A Timmins man has been fined a total of $1,500 for falsifying
documents related to his trapping effort.

Paul Coté pleaded guilty to two counts of making a false statement in
a document and one count each of failing to comply with conditions of
his trapping licence, failing to submit a report on time and making a
false statement to a conservation officer.

Court heard that for the 2007/2008 and the 2008/2009 trapping seasons,
Coté falsified his mandatory Season-End Harvest Reports by reporting
beaver he had never harvested.

Coté failed to trap 75 percent of his beaver quota for the 2008/2009
trapping season as required by his trapping licence.

Coté also did not submit his mandatory Season-End Harvest Report for
the 2009/2010 trapping season, as required.

On May 29, 2011, a Ministry of Natural Resources Timmins District
conservation officer interviewed Coté regarding his trapping history.

Coté provided false information to the officer regarding the
disposition of the beaver pelts he reported harvesting for the
2007/2008 and 2008/2009 trapping seasons.

Coté could not substantiate if any of the beaver pelts he had reported
ever existed.

Justice of the Peace Dolores Boyuk heard the case in the Ontario Court
of Justice, Timmins, on July 14, 2011.

Licensed trappers are required to complete a mandatory season-end
harvest report indicating trapping efforts for each trapping season.

The report is to be submitted by June 10 of each year.

Trappers are also required to trap at least 75 percent of the beaver
quota fixed on their trapping licences.

To report a natural resources violation, call 1-877-TIPS-MNR
(847-7667) toll-free any time or contact your local ministry officer
during regular business hours.

You can also call Crime Stoppers anonymously at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477).




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Lisa Ouellette
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Ontario Fur Managers Federation
531 Second Line E
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[white316]

beaver quota's would differ from line to line in Ontario i guess from say 30 to 100 is that right wolf.

[fuzz269]

Thankfuly we dont have quatas here, cause we have lots of beavers but with the work and price I am not trappin a big pile of them this year, just enough for bait and to keep the Mrs in tanned hides to make crafts from, might ship a few fall beavers but time will tell how many.

[wolf1199]

white beaver quotas can vary from a few to in the hundreds in Ontario, depending on size of line and location as well as habitat.Seems this fellow did not trap his line for a few years and then told the MNR he had caught all these beaver. All fur at the both auction houses is recorded and sent to the MNR and when you make out your year end report they check to see if things are in line. This is how they keep track of who is trapping and who is not. The trapper has 2 years to catch his 75% and if he can,t could lose his line.I have not seen that happen here for over 20 years. They should be more forceful with that policy and weed out the ones who hold a line but do not trap very much and pass it on to some one else.

[white316]

I feel for the guys that have to catch a hundred + beaver to keep there line at todays prices.
They want to try to catch all they can in open water.

[catmando1]

I can't even imagine HAVING to catch animals just to stay trapping! That is crap!!!

[gth]

Aug 8, 2011 21:56:30 GMT -5 catmando1 said:

I can't even imagine HAVING to catch animals just to stay trapping! That is crap!!!

There is a waiting list as long as your arm of trappers who would love to get their hands on a registered line though. If you arent going to trap it, let someone who will take it over. There are cases where a trapper may be injured or have financial restraints and cant get his beavers.......there should be some consideration for that.

I consider it a small price to pay to get exclusive trapping rights to (on average) 50,000+ acres.

[catmando1]

Aug 9, 2011 10:36:47 GMT -5 gth said:

Aug 8, 2011 21:56:30 GMT -5 catmando1 said:

I can't even imagine HAVING to catch animals just to stay trapping! That is crap!!!

There is a waiting list as long as your arm of trappers who would love to get their hands on a registered line though. If you arent going to trap it, let someone who will take it over. There are cases where a trapper may be injured or have financial restraints and cant get his beavers.......there should be some consideration for that.

I consider it a small price to pay to get exclusive trapping rights to (on average) 50,000+ acres.

Sorry, but I prefer freedom.

[gth]

SO do I, and the guy in the article is "free" to trap on private land if he chooses to ignore the rules of occupying a registered trapline on public land.

Nothing saying he cant trap, he is perfectly free to spend the $50 to hold a licence and sit on his duff and not trap. He just shouldnt be doing it in a spot where others would glady trap and obey the rules.

What says freedom more than democracy in action.

And I think the obvious solution here would have been to take on a helper trapper (02 licence) if he was unable or unwilling to trap the beavers. Certainly better than falsifying documents and at the same time a trapper could make use of the line.

I'd like to know if he was still harvesting all his other quotas and just ignoring the beaver due to the low prices? Maybe it was in protest.

[fuzz269]

I can see Catmans point, when you arnt used to the registerd line idea. I cant say I would be in favor of quotas though, unless they were inplace to prevent over harvest. On our lines out here we dont have a quata systom, if you over trap you pay for it for years to come with no fur. Out this way we have a simaler problem, some fellas have baught up trap lines just to use them as thier own privet hunting areas and cabins, and dont trap them, other groups have have bought up alot of lines because they can hold the oilpatch hostage for $$$ when doing work on thier lines, they dont trap them iether. We have a rule that says you must harvest 50 pelts or $200 worth of fur but but it isnt inforced equaly across the board, or atall some times.

[gth]

I can also see where Catman has a problem with it, but I dont think they have the public land in kansas that we have in Ontario. It has to be shared and these rules are supposed to help keep it fair. (jury is probably still out on that one)

The registered line system isn't perfect that's for sure. Other than beaver, the quotas are "maximum allowed" like you said to avoid over harvest. Marten and lynx are the only critters I have a "maximum quota" for, everything else is "open". I agree though that with the 75% rule on the beaver quotas the trappers are being forced into providing free nuisance beaver control for the MNR. And with recent beaver prices it is free...... ;D

I dont know what the best answer is when it comes to trapping public land, but i dont think its a "free-for-all" system where anyone with a licence can trap anywhere on crown land.


All this being said we really dont know what this guys situation was and i dont want to condemn him based on the thin info in that article, all we know for sure is that he said he caught beavers he didnt.

[catmando1]

I don't condone what this guy has done, rules and laws are in place to be followed. He has a choice to follow or like you said, move over so the next guy can.

We don't have the amount of public land, by no means, here as you all do up there. However, we are free to trap either private or public ground free of any charges on most, except on State parks ground it requires a use permit ( most of this ground isn't worth trapping), and of course our taxes, and our regular liscense permits that are good State wide. We can freely come and go as we please, but, there is not the competition that you all would have up there. Here, the amount of furharvesters are mainly for ADC work, and next popular is coon hunting with dogs, and then finally the trappers are the least popular. So to me, it's a whole different sense of restraint to think I must produce, as I don't have to produce, but am free to do so if I see fit no matter where in the State I'm trapping. Limits are unheard of except for a newly stocked animal that needs care like river otters, other than that I may trap as many as I want, and it's up to my descretion as to what is the right amount for the area to take. You all are use to your system, and it works for you and that is fine and our system probably seems foolish to you, but I know I am not alone, as to the huge outcry if our Government tried to implement that type system here.

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